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Bar-Steward
06-02-2005, 03:01 PM
Gents (and ladies),

This is my final shopping list for hardware for my upgrade.

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2 GHz Socket 939, 512KB cache, BOXED
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=300871&cks=PRL

Abit AV8 Moederbord voor S939 KT800PRO,SATA,GbLAN,ATX,Dual-CH DDR
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=301174&cks=PRL

Corsair Value S. PC3200 DDR-DIMM 1024MB Kit m/twee identieke Value Select 512MB
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=118737&cks=PRL

Western Digital Raptor 74GB S-ATA 8MB cache 10000RPM
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=122429&cks=PRL

Sapphire Radeon X800PRO VIVO 256MB DDR AGP,ATI X800PRO, VIVO, Full-Retail
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=300803&cks=PRL

Does anyone see anything not good / compatibile?

Not sure which brand of graphics card to get, any recommendations?

Also, the CPU is boxed, does that come with the correct cooler?

Bar...

Kali
06-02-2005, 03:39 PM
Well for very little extra money i suggest you get this http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=306997&cks=NWP

For a graphics card Sapphire Radeon X850XT 256MB GDDR3 ,PCI Express DVI-I,Tv-Out, Retail But then you need to get a PCI Express Motherboard instead :D

Cyprio
06-02-2005, 04:07 PM
Dont have time to go into detail here but how much money would you be willing to spend?

If you are limited by the above total, you could get a slightly slower HD (but bigger capacity), and a slightly slower CPU, thus saving you some cash to get a PCI-E motherboard, the gfx card that kali suggests above (definately worth the 25 Euros extra) and better RAM.

Sorry i dont have the time to expand right now but im hoping Foots or some other more knowledgable guy will reply to this.

Bar-Steward
06-02-2005, 04:25 PM
The price is no necessarily limited but I would like to stick somewhere around here (as I also need a PSU). Is there any real advantage, other than modern technology) of PCI-E over AGP beaing in mind that I probably won't change this before my next new PC (2 years - ish?

Hard disk capacity is not an issue as my current slower HDD will be move over to be a data disk where as the 10k disk will be the applications disk.

PS... i assume a 850 is better than a 800, right?

PPS Suitable PCI-E mobo? Abit AX8 Moederbord voor S939 PCI-E K8T890, SATA, GbLAN, ATX, PCI-Express : http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=306361&cks=PRL is this the same only with PCI-E?

Opti
06-02-2005, 05:19 PM
My suggestion is a different motherboard. http://www4.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20050103/socket_939-20.html#directx_9 Take a look at the benchmarks and differences between 9 939 motherboards including the Abit 1.

+ the chipsets compared http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040901/socket939-11.html

Yes that's true , the 850 series of ATI are the latest chipsets. About PCI X , i'm not sure if that upgrade will provide you that much more then for example with AGP, but i'll look into that, PCI X is the future though.

Example ASUS X800XT AGP vs ASUS X800XT PCI-X
http://www.gamers-depot.com/hardware/video_cards/asus/x800xt/001.htm

Clock rates are identical on each card – 500MHz on the core and 1120MHz for the GDDR3 memory. Since the cooler is close to the same on both cards, we had similar overclocking experiences.

+ Chaintech prepares Mainboard with AGP 8x and PCI Express x16
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboards/display/20040210203553.html

Cyprio
06-02-2005, 05:32 PM
PS... i assume a 850 is better than a 800, right?


Yes, 16 piplines over 12 and faster core/memory frequency. That would be my main reason for going PCI-express. I mean if you look at these benchmarks you will see that both cards are great, but my reasoning would be if you can get a reasonable increase in performance for a few quid more then why not? Benches (http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x850xt/index.x?pg=1/)

Note: if you do go PCI-e make sure your new powersupply has the new connectors for PCI-e.

Opti
06-02-2005, 05:35 PM
Good point , the power supply and case, what do you have in mind?

Bar-Steward
06-02-2005, 07:03 PM
OK, in summary.

Probably PCI-E better so my alternative motherboard would seem ok (esp. if the info on the K8T800 chipset is anything to go by).

I already have my case which is a cheiftec midi-tower. I'll need a new PSU as a) its the original one and b) mine already makes a slightly dodgy noise! What connectors are required for the PCI-E card ? I looked at PSUs and don't see one that states that it works with PCI-E. I did, however, see 20/24 pin connectors mentioned.

One question on the mobo; the Abit AV8 v's AX8, whats the difference, just PCI-E? They are the same price and I can only see that basic difference.

Cyprio
06-02-2005, 07:38 PM
To be honest i havent seen that many reviews of Socket 939 PCI-e boards. I dont know the ins and outs of the VIA K8T890 as opposed to the nForce 4 Ultra.

This is what a PCI-e power adapter looks like. Some new PSU's come with them built in.

http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1909.htm

Bonce
06-02-2005, 08:24 PM
If your going to go 939 I would stick with the nforce 3 or 4 (for PCI-Express) since they seem to the favoured ones for stability and basically Im an nforce fanboi :P

Bar-Steward
06-02-2005, 09:22 PM
The final list?

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2 GHz Socket 939, 512KB cache, BOXED (Winchester!!!)
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=300871&cks=PRL

Abit AX8 Moederbord voor S939 PCI-E K8T890, SATA, GbLAN, ATX, PCI-Express
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=306361&cks=PRL

Corsair Value S. PC3200 DDR-DIMM 1024MB Kit m/twee identieke Value Select 512MB
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=118737&cks=PRL

Western Digital Raptor 74GB S-ATA 8MB cache 10000RPM
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=122429&cks=PRL

Sapphire Radeon X850XT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express, DVI-I,Tv-Out, Retail
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=306997&cks=NWP

Hiper PSU ATX 470W Opteron SF-470WTX Dual MP, EPS12V, Dual Fan
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=122491&cks=PRL

Cyprio
06-02-2005, 10:00 PM
2 x crucial ballistix 512 from that webby = 240 euros. Thats 80 euros more expensive than the Value ram. You could get the 36gb Raptor, saving 70 euros and getting the MUCH better RAM.

Just an idea. :)

Again i cant comment on the mobos, sorry.

Opti
06-02-2005, 10:37 PM
True, you shouldnt spare on memory :D
I bought the Corsair XMS DIMM 1 GB XL kit

Mr Footlong
06-02-2005, 11:41 PM
Why the fascination with abit boards out of interest? ;)

The crucial ballistix run happy as larry at 2.0,2,2,7(optimal, also perfectly happy with 5 tho) with 2.65v on my nf4 board memtest stable etc etc.

Reading up on the Via board over the last few weeks, I really still don't think there is any reason to gamble it on one yet, given the excellent stock stability so far with the NF4 boards.

Bar-Steward
07-02-2005, 07:00 AM
no fasination as such, never had problems with them in the past and I'm trying to keep control of the selection... lol

Opti
07-02-2005, 08:45 AM
Looking at the overall performance and benchmarks asus and gigabyte take the lead in the 939 series.

elite
07-02-2005, 12:16 PM
see some ppl no about overclocking well im having probs getting my rig stable at 237x11 1.75v
vdimm 2.8 not changed the timing


anyway to get this stable I like thinking iv got a FX-55

Cyprio
07-02-2005, 05:27 PM
see some ppl no about overclocking well im having probs getting my rig stable at 237x11 1.75v
vdimm 2.8 not changed the timing


anyway to get this stable I like thinking iv got a FX-55

I dont want to derail Bar's thread so why not post elsewhere, including what RAM you have. I think having pc3200 at 237 (even with 2.8) is pushing it, depending on timings. The other issue is cpu/northbridge cooling. But as i said i will not derail Bar's post so i will stop. :)

Bar-Steward
07-02-2005, 06:17 PM
such a gent... :D