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Bar-Steward
06-02-2005, 03:01 PM
Gents (and ladies),

This is my final shopping list for hardware for my upgrade.

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2 GHz Socket 939, 512KB cache, BOXED
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=300871&cks=PRL

Abit AV8 Moederbord voor S939 KT800PRO,SATA,GbLAN,ATX,Dual-CH DDR
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=301174&cks=PRL

Corsair Value S. PC3200 DDR-DIMM 1024MB Kit m/twee identieke Value Select 512MB
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=118737&cks=PRL

Western Digital Raptor 74GB S-ATA 8MB cache 10000RPM
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=122429&cks=PRL

Sapphire Radeon X800PRO VIVO 256MB DDR AGP,ATI X800PRO, VIVO, Full-Retail
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=300803&cks=PRL

Does anyone see anything not good / compatibile?

Not sure which brand of graphics card to get, any recommendations?

Also, the CPU is boxed, does that come with the correct cooler?

Bar...

Kali
06-02-2005, 03:39 PM
Well for very little extra money i suggest you get this http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=306997&cks=NWP

For a graphics card Sapphire Radeon X850XT 256MB GDDR3 ,PCI Express DVI-I,Tv-Out, Retail But then you need to get a PCI Express Motherboard instead :D

Cyprio
06-02-2005, 04:07 PM
Dont have time to go into detail here but how much money would you be willing to spend?

If you are limited by the above total, you could get a slightly slower HD (but bigger capacity), and a slightly slower CPU, thus saving you some cash to get a PCI-E motherboard, the gfx card that kali suggests above (definately worth the 25 Euros extra) and better RAM.

Sorry i dont have the time to expand right now but im hoping Foots or some other more knowledgable guy will reply to this.

Bar-Steward
06-02-2005, 04:25 PM
The price is no necessarily limited but I would like to stick somewhere around here (as I also need a PSU). Is there any real advantage, other than modern technology) of PCI-E over AGP beaing in mind that I probably won't change this before my next new PC (2 years - ish?

Hard disk capacity is not an issue as my current slower HDD will be move over to be a data disk where as the 10k disk will be the applications disk.

PS... i assume a 850 is better than a 800, right?

PPS Suitable PCI-E mobo? Abit AX8 Moederbord voor S939 PCI-E K8T890, SATA, GbLAN, ATX, PCI-Express : http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=306361&cks=PRL is this the same only with PCI-E?

Opti
06-02-2005, 05:19 PM
My suggestion is a different motherboard. http://www4.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20050103/socket_939-20.html#directx_9 Take a look at the benchmarks and differences between 9 939 motherboards including the Abit 1.

+ the chipsets compared http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040901/socket939-11.html

Yes that's true , the 850 series of ATI are the latest chipsets. About PCI X , i'm not sure if that upgrade will provide you that much more then for example with AGP, but i'll look into that, PCI X is the future though.

Example ASUS X800XT AGP vs ASUS X800XT PCI-X
http://www.gamers-depot.com/hardware/video_cards/asus/x800xt/001.htm

Clock rates are identical on each card 500MHz on the core and 1120MHz for the GDDR3 memory. Since the cooler is close to the same on both cards, we had similar overclocking experiences.

+ Chaintech prepares Mainboard with AGP 8x and PCI Express x16
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboards/display/20040210203553.html

Cyprio
06-02-2005, 05:32 PM
PS... i assume a 850 is better than a 800, right?


Yes, 16 piplines over 12 and faster core/memory frequency. That would be my main reason for going PCI-express. I mean if you look at these benchmarks you will see that both cards are great, but my reasoning would be if you can get a reasonable increase in performance for a few quid more then why not? Benches (http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x850xt/index.x?pg=1/)

Note: if you do go PCI-e make sure your new powersupply has the new connectors for PCI-e.

Opti
06-02-2005, 05:35 PM
Good point , the power supply and case, what do you have in mind?

Bar-Steward
06-02-2005, 07:03 PM
OK, in summary.

Probably PCI-E better so my alternative motherboard would seem ok (esp. if the info on the K8T800 chipset is anything to go by).

I already have my case which is a cheiftec midi-tower. I'll need a new PSU as a) its the original one and b) mine already makes a slightly dodgy noise! What connectors are required for the PCI-E card ? I looked at PSUs and don't see one that states that it works with PCI-E. I did, however, see 20/24 pin connectors mentioned.

One question on the mobo; the Abit AV8 v's AX8, whats the difference, just PCI-E? They are the same price and I can only see that basic difference.

Cyprio
06-02-2005, 07:38 PM
To be honest i havent seen that many reviews of Socket 939 PCI-e boards. I dont know the ins and outs of the VIA K8T890 as opposed to the nForce 4 Ultra.

This is what a PCI-e power adapter looks like. Some new PSU's come with them built in.

http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1909.htm

Bonce
06-02-2005, 08:24 PM
If your going to go 939 I would stick with the nforce 3 or 4 (for PCI-Express) since they seem to the favoured ones for stability and basically Im an nforce fanboi :P

Bar-Steward
06-02-2005, 09:22 PM
The final list?

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2 GHz Socket 939, 512KB cache, BOXED (Winchester!!!)
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=300871&cks=PRL

Abit AX8 Moederbord voor S939 PCI-E K8T890, SATA, GbLAN, ATX, PCI-Express
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=306361&cks=PRL

Corsair Value S. PC3200 DDR-DIMM 1024MB Kit m/twee identieke Value Select 512MB
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=118737&cks=PRL

Western Digital Raptor 74GB S-ATA 8MB cache 10000RPM
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=122429&cks=PRL

Sapphire Radeon X850XT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express, DVI-I,Tv-Out, Retail
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=306997&cks=NWP

Hiper PSU ATX 470W Opteron SF-470WTX Dual MP, EPS12V, Dual Fan
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=122491&cks=PRL

Cyprio
06-02-2005, 10:00 PM
2 x crucial ballistix 512 from that webby = 240 euros. Thats 80 euros more expensive than the Value ram. You could get the 36gb Raptor, saving 70 euros and getting the MUCH better RAM.

Just an idea. :)

Again i cant comment on the mobos, sorry.

Opti
06-02-2005, 10:37 PM
True, you shouldnt spare on memory :D
I bought the Corsair XMS DIMM 1 GB XL kit

Mr Footlong
06-02-2005, 11:41 PM
Why the fascination with abit boards out of interest? ;)

The crucial ballistix run happy as larry at 2.0,2,2,7(optimal, also perfectly happy with 5 tho) with 2.65v on my nf4 board memtest stable etc etc.

Reading up on the Via board over the last few weeks, I really still don't think there is any reason to gamble it on one yet, given the excellent stock stability so far with the NF4 boards.

Bar-Steward
07-02-2005, 07:00 AM
no fasination as such, never had problems with them in the past and I'm trying to keep control of the selection... lol

Opti
07-02-2005, 08:45 AM
Looking at the overall performance and benchmarks asus and gigabyte take the lead in the 939 series.

elite
07-02-2005, 12:16 PM
see some ppl no about overclocking well im having probs getting my rig stable at 237x11 1.75v
vdimm 2.8 not changed the timing


anyway to get this stable I like thinking iv got a FX-55

Cyprio
07-02-2005, 05:27 PM
see some ppl no about overclocking well im having probs getting my rig stable at 237x11 1.75v
vdimm 2.8 not changed the timing


anyway to get this stable I like thinking iv got a FX-55

I dont want to derail Bar's thread so why not post elsewhere, including what RAM you have. I think having pc3200 at 237 (even with 2.8) is pushing it, depending on timings. The other issue is cpu/northbridge cooling. But as i said i will not derail Bar's post so i will stop. :)

Bar-Steward
07-02-2005, 06:17 PM
such a gent... :D